The UWL logo on the wall of the University's West London campus, Ealing site
The UWL logo on the wall of the University's West London campus, Ealing site

Mary Brown discusses the importance of archives for the DIY TV project

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Mary Brown, Archivist for the University of West London, discusses everything from her favourite part of being involved in DIY TV, to some of the challenges associated with archiving oral histories.

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  1. Were you aware of the work of the BBC's Community Programmes Unit before you became involved with this project? 

I was not aware of the CPU before I became involved. It would have been nice to be able to go to the Raven Row exhibition that inspired the project because it sounds like it was a really interesting event, but it has certainly been interesting to learn about it."

  1. Are there any particular challenges associated with archiving oral histories?

Yes, so there are a lot of different considerations we have to make when doing oral histories. When we are working with people, we need to give them options for the way that we are approaching and recording conversations. We also need to consider the way that we are preparing to do that, and the documentation that’s needed behind developing all the different aspects. We need to make sure that when we are taking in oral histories it’s something that we can make accessible to people so they can learn from those oral histories. We must do the preparation work; making sure the participants are aware of why we’re doing this and are happy with the way we’re making these them available. 

There’s also the aspect on the back end of archiving where you’re looking at the ways of digitally preserving something. Whether we have hardware we are storing things on or whether that’s in cloud space. How we are making that available to people; whether they need to come into the archive to view it in person and take notes; or, whether we are letting people listen in the comfort of their own home as they are able to listen to it online. There are a lot of different considerations we need to take when we are looking at it. 

For us, we have hard drives that we store these on, and they also go onto our archive catalogue, and they are put on the universities open access repository. The repository is the place where people can log onto and listen from the comfort of their own home and do their own research. But we do give people the option of making that solely available in the archive. We currently have some oral histories and interviews where that it is the directive from the people involved as that’s how they want it to be listened to. Yes, there’s a lot of different challenges but they are worth doing as they give a very interesting perspective, and they fill a lot of gaps that physical records don’t capture and stories that may have been lost over time. They are very worth doing some of the extra paperwork and technology to capture."

  1. What can we do to promote the archive, make it accessible, and ensure it gets used?

That is an excellent question. I spend a lot of my time doing that. I think that it is important to talk about what we do, why we exist, and the ways in which we can be useful to people. So, I think some of that is making sure that on our outward facing communication channels that we are being engaging so that people want to log in or come in and look. Within the university I do a lot of work talking to academics and students trying to get the archives used more and also collecting from those people. This involves reaching out and asking people if they have things that they would like to donate to the archive by showing them the sorts of things we accept into the archive. An important part of that is to be able to have them come in and see some of those things and hopefully having some academics create assignments that would involve the archive.

Talking about the University of West London’s history is also a really great way to introduce people to the archives or make people more aware of them. I think there is a misconception that the University of West London is only a post 1992 ‘modern’ University, but it has so much history to it. There was the original school from the 1830s into the 1860s and then the Ealing Technical Institute in the 1910s. There has been an educational institution which has been a predecessor body to this institution for a number of years and being able to provide that context is important. 

A lot of those institutions were created to make education more accessible to people who wouldn’t necessarily otherwise have had access to education like that and that has been something which has been central to the University of West London’s ethos. This certainly is something which has remained central as more colleges were acquired into the institution, like London College of Music, which was founded in 1887, on the principle of making music education more accessible to people who wouldn’t necessarily be able to get certificates or get those sorts of accolades and medals. This gave them a respectability or ability to be more employable.

Similarly, Ruskin College founded in 1899 aimed to make education more accessible to people who wouldn’t necessarily go into education. Two Oxford students who wanted to offer the experience they had to people who were miners and tailors from all different backgrounds, who wouldn’t be able to have that higher education experience. It is nice to be able to tell that story and to let people know that this has been the mission of the University of West London. Also to continue this on with projects like DIY TV where we are taking material which is really interesting and ground-breaking and being able to make that accessible to an audience who wouldn’t otherwise be able to be involved or hear about it."

  1. What has been your favourite part of being involved in 'DIY TV'? 

There’s so many. I, as a history loving person, am really interested in learning new things about past events, which is a lot of what the CPU was about. A lot of important things that were happening over a period of time which was not history at the time but has become history. It goes to show how important it is to capture these things as they are happening because it is so interesting to look back on these historical events which we would now often consider social movements. We can look back on that with the people who were actively collecting stories at the time. 

So, I think that is an interesting aspect to me: to be able to see the primary sources over that period of time is a really interesting aspect. It is also really nice to pull together people within the University of West London, which is a really collaborative environment. It is nice to be able to work on these projects which really showcase that, when you can get academics and staff and students all working together for the greater purpose and good. I think this is a really important experience and it shows how much archives can bring people together and how much they have to offer when we actively engage with them."

DIY TV: The History and Influence of the BBC’s Community Programme Unit

UWL is delighted to announce a new project, DIY TV: The History and Influence of the BBC’s Community Programme Unit, made possible by the generous support of The National Lottery Heritage Fund.

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Biographical information

Mary Brown is the Archivist for the University of West London preserving and making accessible historic records of the institution, its predecessor bodies, the colleges that form the institution, the community of people in and around UWL, and relevant research material for students like the Heathrow Archive Collections. She provided support to the DIY TV Project to ensure the oral histories and other project outputs would be collected with accessibility and the long term preservation of the records in mind for researchers to be able to experience and learn from the records long into the future.

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